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Hey everybody, I'm a newbie to this forum and to China (been here almost one year, but everything still feels new to me).
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I've done sales in my own country of Canada and I'm trying to get started in the Chinese market.
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|cGV8d)a,[^M%xd"| I know there are plenty of sites like this in Chinese, but I need something in English.  I've been working hard to learn Chinese but unless it has do to with ordering food, guiding a taxi, booking a hotel room,   or ordering a beer, I'm completely lost.

hi montrealpaul, welcome to this forum and to China.

maybe this webiste will help you: [url]http://www.mofcom.gov.cn/[/url]

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There are lots of such website link in the forum,I will try to help you.

[url]http://bbs.fobshanghai.com/viewthread.php?tid=409617&extra=page%3D1&sid=BAaNB6[/url]
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There are some websites link English in 4th floor,I hope it would be useful .

FOREIGN TRADE LAW OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA

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Chapter I General Provisions
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Chapter III Import and Export of Goods and Technologies
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Article 2 Foreign trade as used in this Law refers to the import and export of goods and technologies, and the international service trade.
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9s%O5P)t(b%X.x Article 4 The State shall institute a uniform system of foreign trade and safeguard a fair and free foreign trade order in accordance with law. The State shall encourage the development of foreign trade, bring into play the initiative of localities and ensure the independence of management of foreign trade operators.
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y;ow![0j7T2f Article 19 Goods under import or export restrictions shall be managed by distributing quotas or issuing licences; while technologies under import or export restrictions shall be managed by issuing licences. Goods and technologies managed by distributing quotas or issuing licences may be imported or exported, as prescribed by the State Council, only with the permission of the competent department in charge of foreign economic relations and trade under the State Council or together with relevant departments under the State Council. 'f*N8dhs S)}

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just my opinion:
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wow, thanks for the info guys.
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7K3osj8fXyi&Iu r:S(| in re last post: my Chinese partners handle all the shipping and purchasing and they have years of experience in that.  I just want to get some information so that I know what the hell they're talking about and so I know what to tell customers.

my suggestion:
a1aTAS%D`4^ it will be the simplest and shortest cut to do each sector of import business only for one batch of goods and ask yr Chinese partner to be yr adviser temperarily, you will get the general idea of the whole process while trying to contact with factory , negotiating with them, signing the contract, inspecting the goods, finding the forwarder and delivering the goods . Practice makes things easier! And what's the last but not the least, you could have some thoughts on Chinese attitude and way of doing business , this could bebenit for yr future business in China and could be yr greatest attainments in such short time, how do you like it?

come on!just do the same as we chinese!!!

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a1e7ww5|9`W3o [url]http://www.wikihow.com/Find-a-Supplier-in-China[/url]

pass by ~~~,but i don't know what mean of" I walk the walk, but don't talk the talk":$

Reply #6 mico1020's post

maybe i should read it also:P

I think this one is great for you. This is the website of the Ministry of Commerce. you even can ask question about China in English. The webmaster will answer you ASAP.[url]www.mofcom.gov.cn/[/url]

welcome to china

welcome to  China,welcom to this forum

you will be doing well later

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+i,mlf#wmP!z+n hi,dear,I think you will be all right sooner..for so many chinese guys to help you ...

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Y8XiB.xQx [[i] Last edited by jeff008 at 2007-10-16 11:38 [/i]]

Welcome, Paul, we also have some Canadian customers.

o,welcome to china, like to make friend with you

chinese is not difficult
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Noe you are staying in china so you have this envirement
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